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People say it's worthless because of no decent miracles with low Faith. That's not true. If you are ~50 Int sorcerer you can use it to greatly boost power of:

Heal (12 Fai)
Great Heal Excerpt (14 Fai)
Gravelord Sword Dance (0 Fai)
Gravelord Greatsword Dance (0 Fai)

So with little investment in Faith you can get 2 things that sorceries miss - aoe magical damaging attacks and healing. While it may be not optimal for "SL125 meta pr0 playa git gut casul pvp" it is very usefull in normal playing when you just want to go through the game and don't care about some imaginary level cap.

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Velka normally gives it to her tier 3 subs

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I'm a newbie, I have a question?

I have 30 Faith and I want to use these skills ===>"Gravelord Sword Dance, Gravelord Greatsword Dance, Wrath of the Gods, Karmic Justice, Vow of Silence" which Talisma do they get better with?

Darkmoon Talisman ? or Velka's Talisman ?

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- Tin Darkmoon Catalyst: "[...] and this wand is boosted by faith, not intelligence."
- Velka's Talisman: "It casts miracles not by drawing upon faith, but intelligence."
- Book of the Guilty: "he goddess of Sin, Velka, oversees this list of the guilty, who have disrespected the Gods or their covenants, and shall one day face the wrath of the Blades of the Darkmoon."

One the opposite of the other, but with the same purpose.
Gwyndolin IS Velka.

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Velka is in Elden ring?!?!

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this talisman lets you cast and deal considerable damage with the gravelord sword dance miracles in a pure int build since they require no faith, pretty cool

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Very good talisman if you are at 50 INT and just want to use some basic miracles with 12, 16 or 18 faith requirement.

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As others mentioned, it's not practical. At 30 Faith (Where you get access to WotG and DMB) You would need 34+ intellect for Velka's Talisman to surpass other Talismans. This isn't an issue for people relying mostly on spells or who don't care about going to lv 150 and beyond, but if you are wanting to stick below or at lv 120, soft cap Dex/Str AND have some good damaging spells, better stick with doing either INT or FTH, NOT BOTH.

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Best used if you want to have access to lightning spear, heal spells (minus great heal), etc. use on my strength intelligence build with 20 faith, 37 intelligence, and it works a dream for me just wanting more options

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I just now realized it looks really similar to the darkmoon talisman, just destroyed.

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a talisman that requires INT in this game, and a stave that require faith in dark souls 3



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This thing exists in a strange place of not being very practical due to the issues with Miracles that I'll get to.

It's sorcery counterpart the Tin Darkmoon Catalyst is very useful as at 25 Intelligence you get access to a lot of great Sorceries, only missing out on Pursuers, both Soul Spear variants and White Dragon Breath. This includes Crystal Magic Weapon, which while weaker than Darkmoon Blade by a considerable margin (over 100 less damage at base rank), you get three uses, aren't tied to a Covenant and can extend it's duration with the Lingering Dragoncrest Ring on top of being able to obtain multiple copes per save file as opposed to the one.

Great Heavy Soul Arrow in particular only requires 16 Intelligence yet can do over 600 damage (at 50 Faith with the Bellowing Dragoncrest Ring), Emit Force on the other hand with the Miracle boosting ring and 50 int using thi*****s 573 damage at most (according to Soulsplanner), on top of that you can get two copies per NG cycle.

Velka's Talisman suffers from the issue that there aren't many Miracles with low Faith requirements that are really good.

OFFENSE;
28 Faith you only get Gravelord Swords Dance, Gravelord Greatsword Dance, Lightning Spear, Emit Force and Wrath of the Gods, if you go to 30 you also get Great Lightning Spear and both Miracle weapon buffs that you only get one use of.
OTHER;
As for utility/support you get all of the Heal spells other than Soothing Sunlight, Replenishment, Force, Homeward and both versions of Magic Barrier.

Your options are very limited with a heftier investment, if you go to 30 Faith you do get both Miracle Weapon buffs, but if you're on a 50 int build even at max rank in the Darkmoon Blades, Crystal Magic Weapon from the Tin Crystalizaion Catalyst is only 7 points weaker and doesn't require you to be in a covenant to use it for the same amount of casts (plus an extra one if you swap catalysts), at 45 int it's 5 points weaker.

While the Gravelord spells seem like a good choice because of the fact that they don't require any stats, the Firestorm line of spells either do slightly less or way more, and you can obtain multiple copies of them save for Chaos Storm (sure it's only an option in NG+, but you only get one copy of those two per save file), keep in mind this is with the Miracle boosting ring but no Bellowing Dragonrest Ring, plus with Pyromancy you get access to all of them as long as you have at least two attunement slots. Unless you're in said covenant they won't be as good as other spells like it.

Overall unlike the Tin Darkmoon Catalyst, the Velka's Talisman seems like it's more trouble than it's worth with the lack of good miracles that have low Faith requirements and the Gravelord Sword Dance spells are too situational when you factor in the Firestorm spells, you could put that 20, 28 or 30 Faith into other stats that benefit you more. If there were more good Miracles that had lower Faith requirements things would be different.

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Bought this and homeward spell for my sorcerer, 13k souls wasted

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How does this compare to the Darkmoon talisman with 50 int / 50 faith?

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Useful for Gravelord Dance miracle on high INT characters

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