Darkstalker Kaathe

Darkstalker Kaathe is a Character in Dark Souls.

Encounters

Kaathe is a Primordial Serpent, just like Kingseeker Frampt. He is the Leader of the Darkwraiths Covenant, and it was he who tempted The Four Kings with the power of Life Drain which, in turn, led to the eventual flooding of New Londo.

  • Note: Darkstalker Kaathe will not appear if you sided with Frampt and placed the Lordvessel.
  • If you have obtained the Lordvessel, you can go to New Londo Ruins and talk to Ingward. Ingward will give you a key that' will eventually lead to the Four Kings boss (requires you defeat Great Grey Wolf Sif first to be able to walk The Abyss.) After defeating the Four Kings, Darkstalker Kaathe will appear in The Abyss. He allows you to join the Darkwraith Covenant.
  • If you have not obtained the Lordvessel yet, you can kill Ingward instead to get the key, however be sure to buy his Cure Curse spell beforehand.

 

Drops

 Cracked Red Eye Orb

 

Dialogue

First time speaking:
"Greetings Undead Warrior
I am the Primordial Serpent Darkstalker Kaathe
I can guide thee, and illuminate the truth.
Undead Warrior, conqueror of the Four Kings, is this not your wish?
To know the truth of men, and the Undead?"

Answer "Yes":
"A wise choice, Undead warrior.
Prove you must, that the truth becomes you.
Seek Anor Londo.
And claim Gwyn's heirloom, the Lordvessel.
Now go, Undead warrior.
Show the world that the truth becomes you.

Answer "No":
"...
… Very well.
Warriors as yourself are few. I will be patient.
But I cannot wait forever…"

Speak to him after you answered "No":
"What is it?
Perhaps you have changed your mind?"

Speak to him at The Abyss after he brought you to Firelink Shrine:
"Ahh…
If you wish, I shall grant the art of Lifedrain,
the legendary power of the Dark Lord.
It can preserve your humanity while Undead,
and cast off the shackles placed upon your brethren."

Using "Talk" option in The Abyss before you put the Lordvessel for Kaathe:
"Undead warrior.
To speak now is premature.
It begins with your retrieval of the Lordvessel."

Speak to him with the Lordvessel in your inventory, before putting the Lordvessel in the altar:
"Hmm… You are astonishing.
The truth I shall share without sentiment.
After the advent of fire, the ancient lords found the three souls.
But your progenitor found a fourth, unique soul.
The Dark Soul.
Your ancestor claimed the Dark Soul and waited for Fire to subside.
And soon, the flames did fade, and only Dark remained.
Thus began the age of men, the Age of Dark.
However…
Lord Gwyn trembled at the Dark.
Clinging to his Age of Fire, and in dire fear of humans,
and the Dark Lord who would one day be born amongst them,
Lord Gwyn resisted the course of nature.
By sacrificing himself to link the fire, and commanding his children to shepherd the humans,
Gwyn has blurred your past, to prevent the birth of the Dark Lord.
I am the primordial serpent.
I seek to right the wrongs of the past to discover our true Lord.
But the other serpent, Frampt, lost his sense, and befriended Lord Gwyn.
Undead warrior, we stand at the crossroad.
Only I know the truth about your fate.
You must destroy the fading Lord Gwyn, who has coddled Fire and resisted nature,
and become the Fourth Lord, so that you may usher in the Age of Dark!"

Answer "Yes":
"Very well
I shall now guide you to Gwyn's Prison
Be still. Entrust thine flesh to me."

Answer "No":
"Fool… You could not be the Dark Lord.
Enough of this… and farewell to you.
I shall return to the Abyss, and await the true Lord of Men.

After being transported to Firelink Altar:
This is Gwyn's prison.
Now, place the Lordvessel upon the altar.

Speak to him in Firelink Altar before placing the Lordvessel:
What is it? Place the Lordvessel upon the altar."

Speak to him in Firelink Altar after placing the Lordvessel:
"Very well.
Once the vessel is filled with souls, the gate to Gwyn shall open.
Seek Gravelord Nito, the Witch of Izalith, and the traitor Seath the Scaleless.
Fill this vessel with their souls.
Then, the gate will open… so that you may kill Gwyn.

Are you ready?
Then, let us return to the Abyss. Entrust thine flesh to me.

Greeting after placing the Lordvessel:
"What is it?
I am your guardian.
Go on, state your wish."

When leaving:
"Farewell!"

Using "Talk" option after placing the Lordvessel on the altar:
"They failed me, every last one of them.
They were strong, but saw not the truth.
I am certain that you will prove different."

When attacked without made hostile:
"Hmg!
Hrg!
Agh!
Stop! Enough! Fool!"

When attacked and made hostile or after placing the Lordvessel for Frampt:
"Fool… You could not be the Dark Lord.
Enough of this… and farewell to you.
I shall return to the Abyss, and await the true Lord of Men."

...
Kaathe is voiced by Peter Marinker

 




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    • Anonymous

      Guys i was reading your knowledge on Framt and Keethe, how the **** you come up with all this youre nuts, in of course a good way, i was so shackled right now, to even think what are their intentions, welp just keethe cuz fra,pt its pretty straight forward, thanks for making a good lecture at 4 am bout the age of Fire and Dark

      • Anonymous

        Why the hell did they make it so you can't talk to him if you placed the lord vessel... who the **** is gonna be doing new londo ruins before OnS??? And it's the only way to get the infinite invasion item... dumbass dark souls

        • Anonymous

          My personal choice is to enter the age of Dark. Despite the fact that it’s not canon because of the unintended sequels, I prefer it. In the Age of Dark, we aren’t guaranteed anything. It’s likely Chaos or an empire starts with you as the leader, but it doesn’t matter to me. During the age of fire, humans became oppressed and shoved away, locked in the Ringed City, which was presented as a gift, which in reality was meant to contain the race that had the potential to end Gwyn’s precious age of fire. It’s the same deal with Darkeater Midir. He’s presented as a gift to the humans to protect them but in reality makes sure nobody leaves. Gwyn shrouded his gifts to the humans with positive meaning while in actuality they were negative. Gwyn prolongs an age without seeing its consequences, displacing the natural order of one age ending, the next beginning. The truth is Gwyn is scared of change and will do anything to keep things the same, even sacrifice himself to prolong his age. If you link the fire, you get the canon ending and honestly the worse ending. Nothing changes once your character dies by linking the flame. It’s stagnant. As a matter of fact if you link the flame, who’s to say the next chosen undead in that timeline doesn’t fight you, the last one to link the flame. After all, Gwyn’s dead and nobody else is there. Except you. Your character would go hollow, just like Gwyn. After all, going hollow is having no purpose and what purpose do you have after linking the fire?

          • Anonymous

            13 Jan 2022 Anon sounds like an arrogant atheist projecting his real life hatred of religion to fictional gods in a game series where the gods are just stronger humans.

            Humans aren't the good guys in this series. They are literally from the Abyss and the true nature of man is shown to be mere mindless humanity sprites that get feasted upon by serpents like Kaathe and the locusts. Everything the Abyss touches it corrupts and this is shown time and time again.

            Kudos to From Software though. All it needed to do to convince you that Kaathe is good and telling the truth is have him appeal to your real world hatred of religion. If anything it shows a level of fanatical secularism. To realise the so called "age of man" you are required to kill your fellow man, feast on their humanity and give it also to Kaathe. It's kinda like Miyazaki saying without guidance, without religion, without gods, humans are mindless animals and considering all the crimes happening today in secular societies. That's an accurate statement.

            Also what do both Age of Dark and Hollow endings have in common from Dark Souls 1 and 3? You become the "Dark Lord" practically a god yourself and people are forced to bound down you. In the Age of Fire, people chose if they follow or worship a god. In the Age of Dark, all must bow down before one tyrannical leader who had to murder innocent people as part of their quest line.

            I'm amazed people perform mental gymnastics to say "that's the good ending" because they think it means a world of no gods. You guys do realise the gods stopped controlling humanity by Dark Souls 1 right? They had no power at that point.

            The Age of Dark represents one man giving into his murderous greed for power and rulership. You rule over humanity while feasting on them just like Kaathe's Darkwraiths.

            • Anonymous

              So if Kaathe and Frampt are both "primordial serpents," they may completely alien to the DS universe, from a different sort of existence altogether -- and while they each have their own preferred ending of the game, Frampt isn't so upset as to not show up for the last scene of the ending Kaathe was pushing for. It's almost like instead of concrete needs attached to the endings, they just have an aesthetic preference -- like an audience. Like the players. My favorite oppositional reading? Kaathe and Frampt are DS fans arguing over which ending is better.

              • Anonymous

                The liar and deceiver. The one who led the people in their world and ours astray. It's funny to think anyone actually believes him.

                • Anonymous

                  I decided to randomly talk to kaathe to go to the lordvessel fire, but he said "No fuk you", which is weird because the only time ive ever been near frampt was when I went into the catacombs. I feel great, there are no more snakes and I still have to fight nito.

                  • Anonymous

                    People, stop arguing. Your choices doesn't matter, they only matter to your character, how much pain he feels (and maybe NPC's).
                    If you link the fire, you continue semi-peaceful life for people, while also dying. In my opinion, the chosen undead would really like to die normally, permanently, after this suffering with campfires.
                    While in dark lord ending, you litteraly become Gwyn. Look. The fire is back, dragons as well. By *the nature*, the *desire to dominate*, you possibly attack dragons. Then litteraly everything repeats just like with Gwyn, because in world of Ds power ruins people. Then, everything repeats, everybody goes hollow, and you too. Then, another chosen undead appears, kills you and links the fire/becomes another dark lord. Would you rather to quickly and finally die (wich everybody would prefer after feeling the real benefits of immortality), or first live a nice live as a lord, but then go crazy, hollow and die in 1v1 with deprived speedrunner?

                    • Anonymous

                      So many in the comments remind me of this from Hilaire Belloc:
                      Belloc:
                      "Now the Manichean was so overwhelmed by the experience or prospect of suffering and by the appalling fact that his nature was subject to mortality, that he took refuge in denying the omnipotent goodness of a Creator. He said that evil was at work in the universe just as much as good; the two principles were always fighting as equals one against the other. Man was subject to the one just as much as to the other. If he could struggle at all he should struggle to join the good principle and avoid the power of the bad principle, but he must treat evil as an all-powerful thing. The Manichean recognized an evil god as well as a good god, and he attuned his mind to that appalling conception.

                      Such a mood bred all sorts of secondary effects. In some men it would lead to devil worship, in many more to magic, that is a dependence on something other than one's own free will, to tricks by which we might stave off the evil power or cheat it. It also led, paradoxically enough, to the doing of a great deal of evil deliberately, and saying either that it could not be helped or that it did not matter, because we were in any case under the thrall of a thing quite as strong as the power for good and we might as well act accordingly.

                      But one thing the Manichean of every shade has always felt, and that is, that matter belongs to the evil side of things. Though there may be plenty of evil of a spiritual kind yet good must be wholly spiritual. That is something you find not only in the early Manichean, not only in the Albigensian of the Middle Ages, but even in the most modern of the remaining Puritans. It seems indissolubly connected with the Manichean temper in every form. Matter is subject to decay and is therefore evil. Our bodies are evil. Their appetites are evil. This idea ramifies into all sorts of absurd details. Wine is evil. Pretty well any physical pleasure, or half-physical pleasure, is evil. Joy is evil. Beauty is evil. Amusements are evil—and so on. Anyone who will read the details of the Albigensian story will be struck over and over again by the singularly modern attitude of these ancient heretics, because they had the same root as the Puritans who still, unhappily, survive among us."

                      then again the entire series reminds me of that.

                      • Anonymous

                        I just wanted to know if it talking to Frampt makes Kaathe disappear and viceversa. I didn't wanted to see people arguing

                        • Anonymous

                          beta kaathe fans: yaaaas i will become the dark lord and begin the age of man

                          sigma frampt enjoyers: im gonna light myself on fire for no ****ing purpose

                          • Anonymous

                            Seriously amazed at how many people are willing to be the gods' little *****es.

                            Humans are of the dark, and the Dark Lord ending is the only good one. Period.

                            • Anonymous

                              Lots of people arguing about this choice but dont forget what our darling Fire Keeper says in 3. After you give her eyes she relays a vision of all encompassing darkness. And in that darkness, motes of light appear. Hundreds, then thousands, then millions. I think those lights are humans lighting their OWN fires, their own flames, coming into their own in a world without gods.

                              Gwyn created the dark sign to imprison humans, to keep them from inheriting the true power of their Lord Soul, theirs by right of descent from the Furtive Pygmy. And the cycle of linking the flame is the direct cause of suffering for millions of years; the dark sign and the curse of undeath ensured a steady stream of potential sacrifices without letting on what was happening, imprisoning them or sending them on quests to try and maintain his kingdom. He destroyed the race of dragons for no apparent reason other than to take control of the surface; we're never lead to believe the dragons do more than just EXIST before he and the others started a war. The flame, its self, comes across as being parasitic in nature, requiring more powerful souls as sacrifices to keep the cycle of misery going.

                              Gwyn is dead. His world is a shambling corpse worse than any hollow. Choose the greater good; let the fire fade.

                              • Anonymous

                                On my first NG i sided with Kaathe and link the fire, on my second NG i sided with Frampt and become dark lord.

                                • Anonymous

                                  hate this guy
                                  i seriously do, hes creepy and has a vibe of evil surrounding him plus he is the one who woke up manus! and he wants me to be the "dark lord" which sounds totally evil. i always go with frampt because all frampt is trying to do is preserve his friends legacy and the world he created with his own hands.

                                  • Anonymous

                                    Frampt storms off if he discovers you've been hanging out with Kaathe behind his back, yet still bows down to you in the Dark Lord ending. This seems to imply that he's not genuinely at odds with Kaathe nor the coming of the Age of Dark, he's just pissed he didn't have a chance to manipulate you. His only interest in continuing the age of fire is so he can continue to scam suckers into feeding him valuable goods in exchange for an atrociously meager payout.
                                    Frampt fans will happily let a fraudster charlatan trick them into lighting themselves on fire, whereas Kaathe enjoyers get to reign supreme as the Dark Lord over the Age of Dark with their cool toothy snake buddy to grab them beers from the fridge while they lounge on the couch and revel in their uncontested dominance over the world, ignoring Frampt who occasionally pops in to request you front him some cash for lunch.

                                    • Anonymous

                                      Fascinating how a bunch of youtubers led people to believe that rapists like Manus, people with a backstabbing fetish like 4Kings and Darkwraiths, and cowards scared to die but that have no problem killing others for the greater “good” like Aldia and Yuria lead to the good ending.

                                      • Anonymous

                                        i love killing four kings before placing with frampt just to whack this shady fool with my Zwei a couple times, hes sleazy and is DEFINITELY hiding something so i always choose frampt

                                        • Anonymous

                                          Havent encountered him in my first playthrough ( blind playthrough so only now in ng+ when i looked up some stuff i found out that he exists )...
                                          ...so isnt he the guy who screwed over Oolacile into summoning the Abyss thingie via primordial man they seeked ?
                                          ( somebody said that it was a "toothless serpent" i always thought that was Frampt, so i generally didnt trusted them... i fully prepared myself for a boss fight with Frampt after Gwyn, didnt realized that that was the end of the game )
                                          ...and he tricked the four kings as well.. so it would be his character to do that...

                                          • Anonymous

                                            people i have a theory for you. Kaathe is the one who awoke Manus and helped to spread the abyss. in oolacile Gough says to you that "seduced by a dark serpent or no they awoke that thing themselves and drove it mad." i think that Kaathe awoke Manus by tricking the four kings into it!

                                            • Anonymous

                                              At least Kaathe doesn’t live in fear. He mentions Frampt without hesitation while Frampt doesn’t mention Kaathe and even lies when he tells us there’s “no reason for pause at this point” when you’re at the altar and haven’t placed the lordvessel yet. Combine this with the fact that Kaathe is hidden and the destruction of Oolacile was the result of Manus and the abyss going wild rather than being controlled and you have yourself a pretty clear picture of which serpent is telling you a more truthful story than the other, at least as truthful as Dark Souls can be of course.

                                              • Anonymous

                                                Are you talking to kill him but to run away you can't be the dark lord when you walk out the path after beating the final boss we waited the dark lord our Lord's I like shooting they had a fight and seeing if you attack them beforehand a final hidden boss that they did not

                                                • Anonymous

                                                  The argument about frampt and kaathe will go on as long as people play the game, but we have to admit that siding with a guy who gives you a tool to steal humanity and calls you the Dark Lord is cooler than a guy who eats all your stuff for piddly amounts of souls.

                                                  • Anonymous

                                                    Which one should I go with, Frampt or Kaathe? I want to be able to invade, but at the same time I want to be able to sell all of the crap that ive picked up over time.

                                                    • I've always been suspicious of Kaathe's motives. Sure, he tells you the truth about Gywn and the linking of the fire, but I feel he's not sharing the whole story. What is his stake in all this, why does Kaathe care whether it's an age of fire or an age of dark? It's very suspicious that the Four Kings, who he taught Lifedrain, die ar your hands and this mf shows up IMMEDIATELY after and teaches you Lifedrain. And what do you do with Lifedrain? You gather Humanity of course, and you offer it to Kaathe to level up in his covenant. So Kaathe is supposedly interested in an age of dark, ok fine but why does he accept Humanity from you? Does he use it somehow? Could it be that Kaathe simply covets Humanity and that sole reason is why he taught Lifedrain to the Four Kings in the first place? I mean he doesn't seem to regret that his actions caused the disastrous ruin and subsequent flooding of New Londo and it's citizenry. I wouldn't be surprised if he wants to usher in an age of dark because it means more dark servants to offer him Humanity.

                                                      • Anonymous

                                                        The way I always saw it, fire and souls are the physical manifestation of ideals and the will to power, whereas darkness symbolizes realism, banality, and nihilism.

                                                        Gwyn's ideals drove him to challenge the archdragons, but after they had been wiped out, the word started to return to that nihilistic darkness, starting with the Four Kings of New Londo. So, he placed a curse on mankind, deceiving them into carrying on his dream by linking the fire, placing the world in a perpetual state of conflict. By letting the fire fade, honor and fame are sacrificed as the world enters a tranquil rest.

                                                        What choice you make, of course, is entirey dependent on your morals, but personally, I much prefer the Dark Lord ending. I'd prefer a world without fear, without worrying how to survive day to day. It sounds nice, even if Kaathe is shady asf.

                                                        • Anonymous

                                                          Ask the people of Oolacie what they think about the Dark. I imagine they'll give you a different answer than Kaathe.

                                                          • Anonymous

                                                            has anyone run into a bug where kaathe appears but you are unable to speak to him? if so has anyone found a fix?

                                                            • Anonymous

                                                              On one hand you sustain a mirage created by Gwyn and sustained by his faithful, on the other hand you let the age of dark begin. Darkness is the natural order of this universe, the initial cutscene even paints light as the disrupting force that drives the destruction of the ancient dragons.

                                                              • Anonymous

                                                                All primordial snakes look creepy AF. I got a giant picture of one and made it into a sleep mask, so when you wake up, you just see a primordial snake. This is why Dark Souls 3 is better. Thanks for listening to my TED talk.

                                                                • Anonymous

                                                                  He's never stated what "The Age of Dark" even entails. Who cares about the age of man in a demented world like this one with undead and monsters and the abyss etc.? lol

                                                                  • Anonymous

                                                                    Kaathe and Frampt must always be in such great moods. Award-winning smile right there. If only I could be so grossly incandescent.

                                                                    • Anonymous

                                                                      I believe kaathe. The curse of the undead from prolonging the fire is prominent and frampt never tells us we’ll die from linking the fire and as if that wasn’t enough if you speak to him in the altar before placing the vessel he’ll aggressively tell us to place it and although kaathe also does this he’s at least consistently like that while frampt is very friendly until this moment where you don’t directly do what he says. To me this is where the cracks shine through and I believe linking the fire is indeed the bad ending. It’s also worth noting that the majority of players will fall into frampts trap so the idea of being in the darkwraith covenant and showing up to kill them on their journey fits really well into the plot. Dark Souls is epic.

                                                                      • Anonymous

                                                                        If I placed the lord vessel early and made kaathe leave, does this mean I can’t do the dark lord ending?

                                                                        • Anonymous

                                                                          FOUND ODD BUG: If you kill gwynevere (and possibly also including gywndolin) before talking to frampt, frampt leaves obviously when you approach him... but, for no reason at all and BEFORE I EVEN PLACED THE LORD VESSEL OR KILLED THE FOUR KINGS... the Abyss bonfire becomes available and when you visit, kaathe gives you ONLY the dialogue as if you already placed the lord vessel. Then, upon warping to try to place the vessel using kaathe, the vessel somehow is already placed.

                                                                          • Anonymous

                                                                            I don't know anyone experienced this but when i killed the four kings and talked to Kaathe he said a dialogue not listed here and simply disappeared

                                                                            • Anonymous

                                                                              There is something I never understood. How do you even reach the four kings without placing the lord vessel? I thought there is this kind of yellow barrier which won't cease to exist unless the vessel is placed in some sort. But as far as I know you can't place the vessel without pissing one of the serpents off...

                                                                              • Anonymous

                                                                                I didn't talk to Frampt at all, but jumped down the whole, placed the Lordvessel, and Kaathe didn't appear to me.

                                                                                • Anonymous

                                                                                  I don't buy this guy, neither Frampt, I just said NO to Kaathe and jumped down to lordvessel placement while Frampt was sleeping. I am planning let Solaire link the fire when I leave the kiln as the darklord, fuk you serpents.

                                                                                  • Anonymous

                                                                                    This has likely already been said but if you accidentally talk to Frampt and get brought down to place the Lordvessel, use a homeward bone to warp out of the area BEFORE placing it. Being brought to the area doesn't bar you from meeting Kathe, only placing the vessel with Frampt does. You can still meet Kathe after the 4 kings (just did this with my character). He will transport you to place the Lordvessel and offer the Darkwraith covenant after you do. Hopefully this helps with any confusion.

                                                                                    • Anonymous

                                                                                      Also worth pointing out, since you can't reach Sif in the Chasm of the Abyss without placing the Lordvessel for Frampt, you can't get the alternate cutscene for Sif if you go with Kaathe.

                                                                                      • Anonymous

                                                                                        age of men is just a lie .dark soul like the lord soul came from first flame,with flame fading humans can not rule too,he just wants good for his race. "MANUS WAITED FOR FIRE TO SUBCIDE"is a lie too.

                                                                                        • Anonymous

                                                                                          Do I need to have him transport me to the area that I place the lord vessel at to join the covenant, or does he let you join the covenant regardless?

                                                                                          • Anonymous

                                                                                            first person to find this character just forgot to talk to Frampt, after getting the Lordvessel, and kept exploring. Everyone else looked it up here

                                                                                            • Anonymous

                                                                                              So to talk to him before getting the lordvessel, one would have to Ingward. Correct? Because Ingward only gives you his key once you have talked to Gwenevere, thus gaining the lordvessel. I suppose as Kaathe's captor (more or less), Ingward has it coming...

                                                                                              • Anonymous

                                                                                                If you become the lord of dark frampt and kathee will kneel before you have you got any lore about this?

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