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Manus Catalyst is a Weapon in Dark Souls and Dark Souls Remastered.
A sorcery catalyst born from the soul of Manus, Father of the Abyss. A rough, old wooden catalyst large enough to be used as a strike weapon. Similar to the Tin Crystallization Catalyst, it boosts the strength of sorceries, but limits the number of castings. "
How to Get / Where to Find the Manus Catalyst
- Ascend: From any catalyst, along with Soul of Manus, at the Giant Blacksmith in Anor Londo.
- Give to Frampt to receive 1000 souls.
- Unlike other catalysts, the physical attack is a heavy attack very similar to that of a Greataxe.
- Although similar to the Tin Crystallization Catalyst, it has a much lower Int requirement.
- While you wield this catalyst in either hand, your maximum number of castings available for all spells will be halved, which includes Pyromancy and Miracles.
- Due to its rather high Strength scaling, Dark Sorceries cast with this catalyst will get a large physical damage boost based on your Strength stat in addition to the magic damage from its Intelligence scaling.
- The Strength scaling is enough to make this catalyst more powerful than the Tin Crystallization Catalyst, but only when casting Dark Sorceries. It is weaker than the Tin Crystallization Catalyst when casting any other sorceries.
- Two-handing the Manus Catalyst will not increase its strength scaling, only its melee attack damage.
- "Manu" is a Hindu concept which refers to the archetypical man, and progenitor of humanity (like the Biblical Adam).
- "Manus" is the also Latin word for "hand".
- "Manes" in Roman religion, refers to the souls of the departed, particularly those who were morally ambiguous.
- In DS2, The Abyss brought forth Nashandra, Elana, Nadalia and Alsanna. They are the grandchildren of Manus.
Manus Catalyst Upgrade Table
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1000 souls? I see Frampt’s feeling extra generous today.
Most players pick INT/DEX build rather than INT/STR build since DEX boosts casting speed.
And with Manus Catalyst dark sorceries psysical damage part DOESN'T scale with DEX (some ppl say it does but it's a lie do not believe them).
Only Demon Catalyst scales with DEX for dark sorcery physical damage part but it has terrible INT scalling so spells are weak anyway.
So if you are INT/DEX don't even bother forging this.
And lets just say it... Dark Bead and Pursuers are only dark sorceries worth using so ask yourself if it's actually worth. Because if you want use them along with Soul Spears and other pure magical sorceries Tin Crystalization catalyst is far better choice.
for anyone interested i did some testing with this:
below 20 strength tin catalyst is always better than manus, even for dark spells.
between 20 and 30 strength, manus catalyst has the best strength scaling, about 6 to 7 more damage per level up for dark spells, you can check the numbers by pressing square while leveling up, the physical stat is what you are looking for, after 30 you only get 1 to 2 per level up, but at that point manus catalyst becomes alot better for dark sorceries than tin catalyst. so if you have below 20 strength i would stick to tin catalyst, after 30 i would maybe switch to manus. you can easily test this yourself by doing the souldupe glitch with the best soul item, warp to the sunlight altar bonfire and do damage tests against the non hostile hollow, leveling up strength, then test it again one level up at a time, or just take my word for it. so in conclusion, since dark bead is the best sorcery in the game, its probably worth making for boss one shot builds, as the difference past 30 strength is pretty massive.
DO NOT CREATE MANUS CATALYST. GET THE PURSUERS!
I have 50 intelligence and 30 strength. Should I use the Tin Crystallization Catalyst or the Manus Catalyst?
It's pretty heavy for a catalyst.
Usefull only if you are running INT/STR build and focus on dark sorceries and also want crack some skulls with it when they came close.
Otherwise don't even bother with creating it. Pick Crystalizations od Logan catalyst instead and boss soul trade for Pursuers spell.
Big and very heavy for catalyst. R2 attack has nice damage and speed but very short range.
If and only if you're running full STR / INT build and use mainly a lof of Dark Sorceries this thing is a real beauty and must have.
Otherwise don't even bother with forging it and trade soul for Pursuers.
"Here comes the guy"
Manuses walking stick hes like decades old so
Those parameters are bs
Does this increase the damage of dark flame if held in the other hand while casting with pyromacers flame?
what if I cast a spell with 3 uses: do they become 1 or 2?
The trivia must be incorrect. The characters in DS2 were his daughters, not grandchildren. They refer to him as father and were created through fragments of his traits. I don't recall any middle-man to make them grandchilren.
Can the staff bonk be parried?
Whats better mNus or pursuers
You can actually see the Giant Blacksmith say it is something that you can craft it even if you don't have DLC. I mean you can't craft it but its still pretty weird.
the manus catalyst information is incorrect as it doesnt need dexterity it needs 14 strength and 13 intelligence
I have 50 int, 50 str, dusk crown and bellowing dragoncrest ring. And dark bead with manus catalyst does a lot less damage than with tin crystalasation? Help?
Best catalyst in the game ?
Does the giant blacksmith having the option to make the Manus Catalyst mean I have the dlc because I can't seem to get the dark hole in darkroot basin to appear
Edit: further testing on ng+0 normal smough99int/str----
(Varied results because of massively lower defenses than titanite demon)
Dark bead (manus v tin): ring: 2674v2365 crown: 2674v2365 both: 3080v3079 neither: 2078v1862
Pursuers (manus v tin): ring: 2440v2160 crown: 2440v2160 both: 3140v2795 neither: 1880v1660
Difference is attributed to defense amounts, both have more physical resistance than magic, but titanite demon has a lot more of both.
Updated conclusion: which is the better catalyst varies on defenses, probably because there's a trade off of magic for physical damage taking place. In any case, it explains thoroughly why one gets one shot by these spells despite having 1800hp and upgraded gear. Not all that incredibly useful information because the end result is the same: don't get hit by it.
@99 str+int, both dark bead and pursuers are best utilized with the tin crystallization.
This is UNLESS you have BOTH the dusk crown and bellowing ring equipped. It must be a result of dark souls' famous nonsensical. However, the damage difference is about five damage for bead and about a hundred for pursuers (tested on anor titanite demon, ng+0, obviously different enemies will respond differently).
Probably due to the fact that despite both having S int scaling, the tin is recognized as better (the game shows manus as a red S if comparing). This is probably verified, i.e. Known how many points is received per int, but I don't feel like checking.
In conclusion: manus is pretty worthless considering the weight, considering exploiting its greatest strength to the highest amount (99str) doesn't do anything. It is probably useful for lower int/higher strength people who want to grief low levels, but even then, you're wasting 2.5 units, halving your casts, and str points when you could be using chaos.