Big Hat Logan

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Big Hat Logan is a Character in Dark Souls.

Once a royal member of Dragon School, he is now a scholar of the soul arts. He turned Undead over a hundred years ago, and has been roaming Lordran, searching for more wisdom ever since. He is first encountered in Sen's Fortress, trapped inside a hanging cage in a blocked off area, and will teach relatively advanced magic after being rescued. He had a traveling companion in Griggs of Vinheim, but became separated from his company upon entering Lordran. Griggs mentions that Logan did this "For his safety...".

Encounters

1. Found inside a cage in Sen's Fortress

  1. To reach him you will have to rotate the "boulder machine," so that the boulder crushes a wall behind a sleeping Man-Serpent. Alternatively, the guard's attack is capable of destroying the wall if the player attacks him and positions him in a way that he will strike it. Only the Man-Serpent's thrusting attack will destroy the wall.
  2. You can use the Cage Key or the Master Key to open the cage. The Cage Key is found at the top of the castle. Jump across the broken walkway that leads to a lone tower, then descend the stairs. Kill the Man-Serpent and pick up the key.
  3. It is not necessary to have freed Griggs of Vinheim.

2. Back at the Firelink Shrine

  1. Logan will teach you various advanced magic spells, but only if your intelligence stat is 15 or higher.

3. Big jail cell in The Duke's Archives

  1. After encountering Seath the Scaleless in his room, you will wake up next to the 2nd bonfire of the Archives, trapped inside a cell. Kill the Man-Serpent through the bars to grab the key to your cell off of his corpse. From the bonfire, turn right out of the cell and head all the way down the spiral stairs to find Logan in a large cage at the bottom guarded by a group of Pisacas.
  2. The Archive Tower Giant Cell Key which opens his prison can be found in a chest in the room with the collapsible staircase on the bottom level of the main building (the room before the crystal golem garden that leads to Crystal Cave).
  3. Either after you have rescued him from his cell or after you have defeated Seath the Scaleless, you can find him behind the shortcut bookcase that you opened to gain access to the crystal golem garden. Pass through it and he is on a small alcove in the left of the library.
  4. At this point he will sell you crystal variants of the original spells along with the originals. You can also talk to him for hints on how to defeat Seath the Scaleless. Note that you MUST buy all of his spells or he will not become insane.
  5. It takes 183,000 souls to buy every spell from Logan which is an important step in his quest.
  6. After you buy all of his spells and defeat Seath the Scaleless, Logan will not recognize you and tell you not to bother him, which leads to triggering his final appearance.
  7. Talk to him several times, and you'll notice that he's clearly gone mad. Now rezone / reload again (may take two reloads) and he'll have left that spot.

4. Final: Original room from Seath the Scaleless.

  1. ‍His final appearance is in the original room where you first encountered Seath. Logan has gone insane and starts attacking you with his spells. Killing him will reward you with his drops.
  2. After you kill him, go back to the room where he sold you his spells. You will find a chest in his place with Logan's Catalyst, as well as the remainder of the Big Hat's Set.

Note: You will need to reload the game before each of these events if you have not done so since defeating Seath the Scaleless.

Big Hat Logan's Inventory

Sells icon intelligence  Uses  Slots  Cost 
Sorcery
Sorcery  Soul ArrowSoul Arrow 10 30 1 1,000
Magic WeaponMagic Weapon 10 5 1 3,000
Strong Magic ShieldMagic Shield 10 5 1 3,000
Great Soul ArrowGreat Soul Arrow 14 20 1 6,000
Heavy Soul ArrowHeavy Soul Arrow 12 12 1 2,000
Great Heavy Soul ArrowGreat Heavy Soul Arrow 16 8 1 8,000
Homing SoulmassHoming Soulmass 18 10 1 20,000
Soul SpearSoul Spear 36 4 1 40,000
Crystal Soul SpearCrystal Soul Spear 44 4 1 50,000
Crystal Magic WeaponCrystal Magic Weapon 25 3 1 20,000
Homing Crystal SoulmassHoming Crystal Soulmass 24 10 1 30,000
White Dragon BreathWhite Dragon Breath 50 20 1 Drop

Drops

Character Info

Regular Logan:

Insane Logan:

 




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    • Anonymous

      Big Hat Logan drops the White Dragon Breath Sorcery, the Tin Crystallization Catalyst & the Big Hat after you defeat Seath the Scaleless.
      He doesn't just drop them like this wiki page says.
      You also don't have to make him go insane like most people think you have to.

      • Anonymous

        why can no one explain why his name is big hat, these comments say it's because of his humongous hat but it doesen't seem to be related, help!!

        • Anonymous

          mfs shocked fromsoft would make a character called dung eater when they literally called this dude Big Hat

          • Anonymous

            accidentally got him hostile towards me, not in the mood to farm 30k souls... im not going ot use any sorcery in my first time playing anyhow

            • Anonymous

              I killed Big Hat Logan while he is still not insane(note that I still have not killed Seath), after I killed Logan I go to Oswald to Request Absolution, the game said I am not sinned!?

              Can someone please explain?

              • Anonymous

                I really love the Monty Pythonish thing about Logan - you could imagine him saying “stop that!” in Graham Chapman’s voice when being aggroed, going “Right!” when fully aggroed, standing up and casting soul spear into the aggrevant’s face. Just me?

                • Anonymous

                  So... Quick question:
                  What if once I killed DragonBoi, I can find Hatman's chest but not the man himself in the cave?

                  I tried quit/loading and warping, but nada. The dude refuses to show up. Anyone else facing the same situation?

                  • Anonymous

                    The children made fun of Logan because he had a swollen head from dumping it all into intelligence. Later on in life, he decided to cover it up with an oversized hat and moved to another city.

                    • Anonymous

                      I've seen the Man Serpents 2nd wide swing break the wall but it was at a very specific angle. On a separate unrelated note killing Big Hat Logan while he is still in the cage without opening it will cause his drops to not spawn.

                      • Anonymous

                        Alright they call him Big Hat Logan because he wears a ducking big hat that covers his face. Not everything have to related to lore.

                        • Anonymous

                          Big Hat Logan left firelink before I could buy Soul Spear, does he appear at the next area (The Duke's Archive) selling the spell?

                          • Anonymous

                            Logan will teach you various advanced magic spells, but only if your intelligence stat is 15 or higher.

                            Not exactly true. If you do the entire questline w/ 10 int, Logan will offer to sell you his advanced spells after being freed and returns to the Dukes Library. This can be helpful if you wish to buy all his spells in a normal game but not invest the stat points until maybe NG+ or later.

                            • Anonymous

                              Does anybody know why they actually call him Big Hat Logan in lore? VaatiVidya's video wasn't very informative, and the wiki doesn't seem to have much to offer.

                              • Anonymous

                                I came to this wiki solely to learn why they call him Big Hat Logan. The fact that such information does not exist means that this wiki is useless and incomplete.

                                • Anonymous

                                  He seems to drop WDB and the tin catalyst once he's in the library, I killed him there without buying any of his crystal spells and got them

                                  • Anonymous

                                    when you find him at first youre gonna think "wtf im gonna fall off this b*tch if i try to talk to him"
                                    but somehow you manage to make it work
                                    -KingCroc

                                    • Anonymous

                                      So wait, if i kill the iron golem before blasting the hole to his place, does that mean i can't free him? since the giant stops dropping balls after you kill IG

                                      • Anonymous

                                        So I freed him from Sen’s, beat seath, bought all of his spells and he doesn’t want to move to the archives even though he says he will move soon. I always do the duke’s skip and that normally works to progress the quest line but now it suddenly doesn’t work. Btw I tried to warp between bonfires and used the dark sign several times.

                                        • Anonymous

                                          His hat has no magical powers but it does hint to others to F off and stop bothering him which is all the more valuable

                                          • Anonymous

                                            So I just finished Anor Londo and Logan is now at Firelink, but I have not the 15 INT leveled, does he still go for the Archives or do I first have to level the INT? Im planning to go for New Londo and to Ash Lake either way so by the time Ill go to the Archives I would have the 15 points surely

                                            • Anonymous

                                              There’s a fantastic detail with Logan that I mistakenly took for an error all this time. When you talk to him for the first time after freeing him from the archives prison he’s already losing his sanity by this point. The dialogue line about Seath “his wounds close promptly and no mortal blow affects him, granting true insulation from death” is said twice but if you listen carefully his tone of voice IS different the second time he says it meaning it was fully intentional and seems like an oversight at first! His sanity slipping becomes obvious after this like the mumbling and telling you to stay away from him after buying all spells but I love this extra detail before all that probably more than I really should.

                                              • Anonymous

                                                Also known as "Hefty helm henry", "Crazy cap Clyde", "Large lid Larry", "Huge headgear Horatio", "Substantial sombrero Sal",

                                                • Anonymous

                                                  Do I need 15 int for him to sell me sorceries? I figured he would be a nice guy and drop the int requirement after saving him in the archives.

                                                  • Anonymous

                                                    Perhaps my favorite NPC. Of course, Princess Gwynevere is the overall favorite, and maybe also Laurentius for the way he says "don't you dare go hollow."

                                                    But the Big Hat must be the most courageous and strong NPC who isn't some sort of loon or idiot. Siegmeyer is always sleeping, and relies too much on our player, and Solaire is pretty competent but he is a lunatic. But Big Hat Logan is the Chad of all regular humans in the Dark Souls world.

                                                    I killed him in a fun way, to give him an enjoyable last battle. I used nothing but black firebombs and crystal ring shield blasts.

                                                    • Anonymous

                                                      I believe his parent's (or potentially legally designated guardian's) choice to assign him the title of 'Big Hat' at birth can be attributed to naming traditions that rose to prominence in the United Kingdom during the English renaissance. Said custom entailed that the choice of a baby’s surname was to be made with the intention of ensuring the child grows up to inherit the traits said surname promises- ex: Giving a child the last name 'Smith' with the hopes of them growing up to be a blacksmith. While this practice is long since archaic, its legacy has survived to the modern day, as occupation based names such as Smith, Miller, Hunter, Baker, Mason, and Carter dominate the Western world today. It’s important to note that while the aforementioned naming convention likely originated around the joint Anglo-Saxon occupation of mainland Britain, (which, to put into perspective, directly followed the fall of the Roman Empire) it didn’t become a cultural staple in the region until many centuries later, when a surge in commerce and culture allowed the return of artisan crafts. In reality, the presence of the manor-centric class structure that dominated the European Middle Ages (colloquially known by historians as 'The Dark Ages' or 'The Middle Ages') while at the time necessary for maintaining a form of social order, ended up rendering the centuries during which it occupied western Europe in complete cultural limbo. The name ‘Logan’ itself derives from an ancient Gaelic (Scottish) dialect, and with Scotland notably being a major geographic part of Britain, we can conclude that, at least in part, the character has direct heritage in the Great British region. Now when considering the name “Big Hat Logan” ’s etymology and the historical context of the unorthodox title, we can conclude that indeed, Logan’s parents named him as such because they aspired for him to wear a big hat.

                                                      • Anonymous

                                                        I love how my sorcerer’s duel with Logan was based solely on who connected the first spell. He could one shot me and I could one shot him and it was brilliant because NPC’s dodge the spells so it was quite tense for an AI fight.

                                                        • Anonymous

                                                          Reloading the Archives once you've seen that he has gone mad, does not make him change location. You need to speak to his apprentice at Firelink first for this to happen. (At least this is how it worked for me)

                                                          • Anonymous

                                                            If don't buy all his spells at once and keep talking with him, you can realize he's slowly getting insane. Really interesting feature although depressing

                                                            • Anonymous

                                                              the spells are sold by the apprentice at the shrine ..NOT LOGAN. logan disappears after rescuing him from the cell in duke's archives. you have to buy the spells from his apprentice.

                                                              • Anonymous

                                                                Can you complete his quset line without dying to seath the scaleless cuz i killed seath and then i saved big hat logan from sen fortress

                                                                • Anonymous

                                                                  Went up to fight him prepared for a difficult fight my crystal soulmass immediately killed him and now I feel bad... Sorry buddy

                                                                  • Anonymous

                                                                    Helpppp I killed Seth and then i saved him from the cage in sens fortress qnd alredy opened the cell because he wasnt there and i cant find him anywhere

                                                                    • Anonymous

                                                                      Fucn dumb. Wish I had read the NOTE before I did all these because now I don’t see him but his chest was there...thanks NG+ here we go.

                                                                      • Anonymous

                                                                        i was wondering: i want to complete AotA before i face Seat the Scaleless, so i tought on an strategy tracking the crystal golem with the broken pendant, leaving the Duke's Files right away and making my way to Oolacile... at the moment Big Hat Logan is in Firelink Shrine still... if i take the actions described above, he will be still in Firelink Shrine after y finish the DLC?... i just cleared Anor Londo and also already put the Lordvessel in place

                                                                        • Anonymous

                                                                          You must let him out of his cell, reload, meet him at the side room next to the room with the stairs that go down and to the yard before the crystal cave, buy everything before you kill seath. After you kill seath light fire but don't sit, homebone to the last fire (mine was the one closest to Logan that hangs over the yard. Go directly to Logan, he will say all sorts of crazy things he doesn't know you. Leave, I went to seaths room and grabbed the big magic ember and the hero soul. Then I went and warped to firelink because he wouldn't leave where he was sitting and so I messed around a minute and got the trophy for magic weapon, warped back went back to downstairs room, he was not sitting there anymore, went up to seaths room he was standing naked in his hat. Had all silence and fog gear merc'd him before he could get a spell off, he dropped dragon breath, his hat, and tin crystallization catalyst, but not his underwear. I still don't have his outfit just his hat. Will reset and see if it pops up in seath's room. Did this in the last 30 minutes no issues whatsoever. I did all his previous steps obviously or he wouldn't have been locked up to start with. -tearlach2

                                                                          • Anonymous

                                                                            I purchased all his spells he went mad and when I went to seaths boss arena he was not there and the chest apeard in his place.Wtf happened?

                                                                            • Anonymous

                                                                              interesting insight: you do NOT need 15 int to buy stuff from him in Dukes, only in Firelink does he have an INT check. Though i might infrom anyone trying to 100% or smth on a low int char.

                                                                              • Anonymous

                                                                                Dudes, ive done every single part twice until the last part where he goes insane in seath's, i have the remastered ps4 edition, he Just wont appear there, i dont know what else to do.

                                                                                • Anonymous

                                                                                  During my first playthrough of dark souls, I was told to kill logan as soon as I freed him, because he would kill people in firelink. Is that true?

                                                                                  • Anonymous

                                                                                    I love Dark Souls's lore. It's so mysterious and open to interpretation/ theorycrafting. For example: Why is his name Big Hat Logan? No one knows for sure.

                                                                                    • Anonymous

                                                                                      Do you have to wait to beat seath? Or can you kill seath the scaless then buy the remainder of Logan's spells to complete big hat Logan's quest line?

                                                                                      • Anonymous

                                                                                        Yes it100% drop your missing a step
                                                                                        Once he goes mad meet him where first fight seath
                                                                                        U kill him there u get spell half his set then reload and he drops sunthin
                                                                                        Reload again go to chest and rest of set

                                                                                        • Anonymous

                                                                                          Went through all the steps to turn Logan mad, and he didn't drop his hat or the TCC. We did get the spell (White Dragon Breath) and a humanity, and even went and got the rest of his set in the chest along with Logan's catalyst. Does anyone know if this is a drop with a high drop rate and we just got super unlucky, or is there something we can do to get them still?

                                                                                          • Anonymous

                                                                                            For anyone in dsr if you are having trouble making Logan leave firelink after placing the lordvessel what worked for me was going up the shortcut lift then stepping out to undead parish then walking back on the lift and return to firelink, this worked for me after talking to Logan several times, talking to Griggs, reloading the game several times, warping to other places, and killing two bosses didn't.

                                                                                            • Anonymous

                                                                                              Can conform that Logan leaves Firelink Shrine after water is drained from New Londo Ruins. Which will let you buy an additional Soul Spear and Homing Soulmass spell from Griggs.
                                                                                              -Remastered Edition

                                                                                              • Anonymous

                                                                                                Ok next playthrough i am gonna create a chubby sorcerer and name him Big Fat Logan.. I am pretty sure many have thought this before me but I find it hilarious

                                                                                                • Anonymous

                                                                                                  I read that some actions can make that a character doesn't go mad and because of that, they keep being alive for a long time (even until Dark Souls 3 in some cases). Andre is our blacksmith, that's his duty, Patches tricks us to steal our things, Logan sells spells. Without that, their existence is hollow. Our duty is to relink the Fire, we can't go hollow because we keep trying to reach it.

                                                                                                  • Anonymous

                                                                                                    I'd like to share here a tip that might help Sorcery builds aiming at being members of the Darkwraith covenant in NG: you cannot place the Lordvessel on Firelink Altar (to keep Kaathe available), but you CAN make Logan leave Firelink Shrine, thus allowing Griggs to sell you additional units of the Soul Spear and Homing Soulmass spells (which may be helpful against Sif and Four Kings). I don't know the exact trigger, but here's the steps I took (I'm playing PTDE on PC): 1 - Freed Griggs (Lower Undead Burg) 2 - Bought all spells and rings from Griggs (Firelink Shrine) 3 - Rang both Bells of Awakening (Undead Parish / Quelaag's Domain) 4 - Freed Logan the 1st time (Sen's Fortress) 5 - Bought all spells from Logan (Firelink Shrine) 6 - Did a lot of stuff unrelated (I think) to Griggs/Logan: killed Moonlight Butterfly, Hydra (Darkroot Basin), Havel, Pinwheel, Capra Demon, Gaping Dragon and Ceaseless Discharge, cleared Great Hollow and Ash Lake (killed the 2nd Hydra), entered Chaos Servant and Forest Hunter covenants, bought all Pyromancies from Eingyi, Laurentius and Quelana 7 - Got Lordvessel (Anor Londo) 8 - Talked with Logan (Firelink Shrine), he has a different dialogue when ending the conversation 9 - Got Key to the Seal by talking to Ingward (New Londo Ruins)10 - Opened New Londo flood gates 11 - Killed both Mass of Souls (New Londo Ruins)12 - Griggs is now alone again at Firelink Shrine Sorry for the lengthy post, I hope it may be useful.Many thanks to the site owners and contributors, the guides and forums here are really helpful.

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